Dave the gnome.Well done, you picked up on my spelling mistake ...it should of course been.... dieting.!!.. and Dagenham is a long way away now. Dave Bryant thanks for the tip but on my travels I did come across both of those clubs. The one at Leigh I enjoyed but Romford was like singing in a smokey tomb and for me had all the attributes that I set out in the original post, but good to hear that there are clubs on the go. Next visit Il'll plan better.Doc.