Katlaughing:- with regard to that unfortunately named English county north of Suffolk, there's a wonderful rugby song where they fall over a precipice, finish it, go to N-r-f-l- and other things I forget. AlistairUK - swearings ok and necessary even but the problem is listening to some of those who stand on street corners, every other word's the f-word - nouns, advs, adjs the lot - which must make their sentences very long. Perhaps that's why they need to stand around. And what do they say when they need to swear (as we all do)? Apart from someone on another thread who doesn't like such words on the web. For a wonderful collection visit: www.viz.co.uk and then onto Roger's Profanaraus. Help please: how to put hyperlinks on the Mudcat. DRJohn