A lot of the time we argue past each other, and go round and round in circles. Then we get tired and move on, or it starts drifting off into people attacking other people, and at the same time ignoring what they are saying.

I don't think we've begun to say all that could be usefully be said, though maybe quite a lot of what we've said could quite usefully have been left unsaid. Mostly in the threads without PEACE in the title.