This thread is way too long, and it's settled down into a style of discussion that doesn't do much good. I think that it might be better to follow the approach attempted in the PEACE in the Middle East thread.So I feel uneasy at posting to this and refreshing it again in the process.
Since making that statement yesterday, McGrath of Harlow has refreshed this thread three more times.
Of course, he holds no candle to CarolC who is personally responsible for 32 of the 118 previous posts to this thread, including several sets of up to six multiple posts in a row.
Troll, CarolC's debating opponent clocks in at a much more modest 10 posts.