Sorry I've been away for a while but I do have a few comments to add.

1. Apparently those who feel they did the right thing during the Vietnam war, by "walking away" are still using the moral calculus of Enron. As you walked away did you note the mountain of skulls in Cambodia, Burma, and Laos as the Dominos fell. Those are your legacy not mine.

2. Bush was a fighter pilot in the National Guard. Stupid pilots crash. Stupid fighter pilots do it at 500 knots. He got better grades than Gore. And every indication is that he picked the best Cabinet in fifty years. But please keep thinking he's stupid... it only makes his work easier.

3. Clinton came in on "It's the economy, stupid" and made every mistake in foreign policy you could make. He was late on every intervention he ever should have made and according to press reports, several defense lawyers want him indicted at the International Court in the Netherlands, for his failures to react in Bosnia. He did nothing about the Middle East at all during his first term and became engaged only after getting a blow job from a disfunctional Jewish Princess. His foreign policy, while well meant, was of the Fire Sale variety; sell everything away and hope it burns out of it's own accord.

I wish I had more time, but duty calls... yet this thread is interesting