Ian, you can pay Amazon.com with any major credit card. You don't have to send the details over the net. Just order and tell them you are sending payment by post. You can do this with Elderly too. If you hit the "Support the Mudcat" button that appears on the top of your screen while you are reading the list of threads, you will get a link to Amazon.com. Using that link gives some financial help to Mudcat.

Murray