It gets weirder still; what is in the DT is my message Item #53917 (18 Feb 1999 22:17) - Re: Making babies by steam at Ir Trad-L That doesn't seem legit. to me. And at least the author and the website should be cited! (well maybe not, Ir-Trad L shows the e-mail addresses on line to all and sundry, though mine has changed twice since 1999)