Hey guys - I may be dense, but I don't see any reason for the appararent confusion.

We know that there's been work going on that's aimed at improving the web site and the DT. Whatever is being put together should be independent of what systems users have.

We all know that Mickey$oft and Netcrap versions of html, xtml, java, (fresh beans, mocha with whipped cream, please) etc. violate the nominal standards, (as a favor to users, of course) so it is necessary to consider user's op systems in some cases - if you want to do certain things on the web. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

The fact that Joe has 98SE is probably (or is at least possibly) immaterial, because we don't know whether Joe is an appropriate "tester" for whatever the problem is. Persons too familiar with the system are sometimes the worst choice for determining whether a "typical" user can make it work. And a "one-horse race" doesn't prove much.

If there's - perhaps - a security issue with 98SE, it is certainly more appropriate to contact a few people who have some experience with the system to evaluate it, before publishing a do-it-yourself kit of instructions on the web.

If it's just something like "98SE can read Unicode, but can't write it," (true, but don't ask) it is to our mutual advantage that we keep the "solutions" within a small group. We all like to offer our opinions; but I, for one, can understand that too much help makes it impossible to get anything done.

I don't have all the answers - because I don't know what the question is yet. That's not confusing.

John