Thanks Joe, thats a terrific short bio and I find it extremely valuable, I can add a tidbit to his internment, He was buried in San Bernardino, California and I was always going to seek his marker for a photo but have moved to Washington state.Sound sick? I just wanted to pay respects to some one I never had met but admired his work and in a small way show honor to his memory. We should have a Cisco Houston Day in his honor. Sandy, dejavue, some one was reading your mind while we were e-mailing.Thanks for the thread Frank, it's a dandy. Jack mos/fol