Joe, I thought that using the experimental version would be why you hadn't picked up the changes in loki who used to be my favoruite but now, at least IMO, isn't fairing too well.

Other points that may be noted now by visiting Netcraft and looking at what a site is running is that Ragtime is running Win2000, where as the others report NT - maybe the 2000 combination is more stable? Or maybe shorty gets the bulk of the load?. If my memory is correct, in the days when I loved loki, it didn't even report Windows as the OS but AS-400 whatever that may be. I guess a loss in the cut backs.

On the subject of "Pinging", I discovered the other day that help.mudcat.org and www.cognitivescience.org both report 207.103.108.102 as the IP number so I presume we are looking at virtual server solutions provided by Onstage Media now rather than dedicated machines?

Jon