thanks one and all! i now see how easy all this could have been! why didnt i think of that before i wonder? maybe because all this is very new to me and a bit daunting, all this being the wonderful world wide web and in fact i must admit folk music too. being a young whippersnapper of a student with too much work and too little money i dont get much oppertunity to pick up anything much more than snippets of things that ive heard friends sing. i'll look forward to increasing my musical knowledge though this site though! thanks again,ivy b.