The man in a hole analogy applies to everyone in this in of situation. I wasn't specifically directing it at Israel. Terrorism or counter-terroprism, call it what you will, the effect is to make things worse in either case.

And Doug, at no time have I ever said or implied that Palestinian suicide bombers are not terrorists, or that what they do is right. The slaughter of innocent people, including children is horrible, and it is terrorism, an should not be prettied up by words like "freedom fighter." But it is horrible and it is terrorism whoever does it, including governments, and it should not be prettied up by words like "national self defence" or "just retribution".