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Thread #48950   Message #738117
Posted By: Little Hawk
27-Jun-02 - 09:44 AM
Thread Name: BS: US ...pledge of allegiance ruled out!
Subject: RE: BS: US ...pledge of allegiance ruled out!
Good answer, Bill D, well thought out and well expressed. I understand you perfectly.

I do have a definition of "God" which is so unconventionally wide that I doubt there's anyone out there who doesn't at least partially believe in what I call "God"...but you're quite right that we give meaning to our lives. Exactly.

The capacity which we have to do just that is one of the attributes of what I call "God". In other words...self-awareness, consciousness, awareness of other things, the ability to think and draw comparisons, the ability to make decisions and act upon them. All those are attributes of the overall intelligent presence which I call "God".

We can indeed justify morality by logic. Undoubtedly. I also regard logic as an attribute of what I call "God".

I don't go to church, although I've visited various churches from time to time, just to see what they were up to. I could similarly say that I've visited any number of secular situations. One does not have to belong to any religion to believe in God as I conceive of God.

I think your whole explanation was very rational and very well put. It sums up precisely how I felt about life when I was a bit younger...I later came to have some "spiritual" beliefs, but they do not derive from any particular religion...just from the whole avenue of life itself.

Back to the "indivisible" issue. Any nation is potentially divisible, and we all know it...just as any marriage is. Therefore, to state that one's nation is indivisible is an act of wishfull thinking...or bravado. It's the same as getting married and publicly declaring: "till death do us part". That doesn't work out half the time either these days.

Be assured, the USA will not last forever...no other political entity ever has...and one day something else will take its place.

If in the meantime people want to say it's "indivisible" to make themselves feel better, well, go ahead then and say it. Saying it won't necessarily make it so.

- LH