Murray, re: the alcoholics per square inch bit, the same could be said for the Oak... they're mostly quite pleasant alcoholics though (hic). I take the point about the Heb though, I haven't been in there for a while.

Scabby Doug: :-)

Declan: 'Binkies still has music of sorts but I don't think it's of the session variety, more of the onstage singer/songwriter sort with amplification.