Sapper, why on earth would you go to a folk club, when what you come away with is having "endured?" Hmmm, IRA and Oklahoma bomber (Tim McVey) cut from the same cloth my friend? I doubt if Mick's request for an "intellectual" debate is going to sit well with you, but this has been a trying and stressful 2 weeks on mudcat, and I'm attempting to think positively, so who knows?