Kim, if I can just go on to some questions we've had sent in from listeners, very quickly, because I do realise you've got to get off to the house and various other things … Roger Gall has emailed us to say, and I quote, "When you introduce this new licensing system, if pubs don't have an entertainment licence, will sessions and singarounds be banned?"

Yes, I suppose they would be. The landlord would need to get an entertainments licence to cover himself or herself …

But this is not for gain, is it, you were talking about …

Oh, I see, I am sorry, I'm sorry, I thought that you meant it would be professional musicians being paid …

No, just sessions and singarounds, people just playing for their own fun.

No, they certainly wouldn't and I'm very keen that we should make sure that that facility is there. There shouldn't be a problem. As long as money isn't changing hands, then there's no reason why they should have to have a licence.

Right. Well, Keith Acheson writes in from Hertford to say how much he enjoys his singaround, singing songs of soldiering and seafaring, parting and ploughing, love and drink - he writes here - "No money changes hands, we enjoy some wonderful evenings. Why does English law criminalise this very English and harmless pastime?" I think you've already answered that - it does at the moment but you hopefully will make sure that it doesn't in future, is that right, the way I read it?

Yes, absolutely, and can I also say that if a licensee, a landlord or landlady, can get an alcohol licence, they will get a Public Entertainment Licence for free, so it's not going to cost them any more, so it's not going to put off people making venues available.

Great. And this is on the White Paper and this is going to be in the Queen's Speech, is it, in the next session of Parliament?

Yes, very much hoping that it will be. You can never tell and no minister can ever say that it's going to be in the Queen's Speech (laughs) … I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Why oh why did he not ask Keith's question? For over two years his Govenment have just watched events suffer, where no money changes hands, and will continue to for some years yet!

Even if this extaordinary statement forms any part of the new legislation and the LGA permit it, it may not be in the next Queen's Speech and we may never in fact live long enough to see it become law.

How could it ever be established that no money changes hands. Would we have the same as now? Officers claiming money or reward was involved and we would have to go the Court to prove it did not?