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Thread #49757   Message #753657
Posted By: Peter K (Fionn)
24-Jul-02 - 09:27 AM
Thread Name: Non-Music: Pope in Toronto: Will he make it?
Subject: RE: Non-Music: Pope in Toronto: Will he make it?
It seemed to me Big Mick (and still does) that you're saying the pope is wrong but it's OK because he's convinced he's right. What else can be in your mind when you come out with stuff like (for instance): "I may not agree with much this Pope has done, but he is a man of his values and his faith." Correct me if I'm misreading something.

When abused altar boys and others have complained, this church has treated them with stupendous arrogance. Too many families have been gullible and feeble enough to fall in with it. So kids have not only suffered abject torment, but also have been dismised as liars and shit-stirrers. And you just look the other way.

I am amazed, Big Mick, to see you clutching at the pope's "inequivocal" line on criminal perverts. Why were the likes of Archbishop Ward in Cardiff or Bishop McComiskey in Ireland or Law in Boston, among others, allowed to cling to their offices and continue to shelter abusers? What sort of signal does this send about the place for children in your church?

In short there is a colossal gulf between what the pope says and what he has actually done. Have a quick look at this: Vatican "knew of widespread abuse" It's the respected aid agency CAFOD confirming that a report into priests abusing nuns in Africa was sat on by the Vatican for SEVEN years. Parts of the report you couldn't make up. (One priest impregnated a woman, forced her to have an abortion and when she died, officiated at her funeral!)

Pause for thought, Mick. There must be more to your argument than "my church right or wrong."