Mick, I was going to say something too about your dismissing the abuse situation. Unless you have some inside knowledge that someone was making up a story, it is a horrible thing to tell someone that abuse never happened..that makes people crazy. I'm Catholic, not an especially good one. I like the pope although he needs to retire. I am horrified by the Church's stance on birth control..I'd make it mandatory for half the world. watch problems just dry up and disappear then...the whole way they have handled the abuse problems is just plain sick and criminal....I never personally saw anything come out of Vatican II except for really really bad music...but maybe there is something I don't know about. mg