Fionn: Ouch! Hey, I never said the guy was perfect, or that his service to humanity extended to all areas. All I meant was that John Paul II did some good. BTW, I don't think that the discontent in the countries you mention has as much to do with the fall of communism as it does with what replaced it there. But that's just my impression from the insular POV of a US citizen exposed to the US media's spin on the situation. I'm sure you're more familiar with the situation than I.