Yeah, Harpgirl, I agree with you that the current adminstration is having its way, and unfortunately its way has on top of its list, a war with Iraq. I do find it hard to believe that the right wingers have so manipulated the US population thru gadgets, debt, misinformation and fear that there is not a groundswell of folks coming out and saying, "Hell no! We won't go!" What's it gonna take? Lots of loss of life and another lesson that war solves nothing, especially in these times with a world economy and most everyone on the planet tribalized?

I have reaqd many of the links that have been provided in this thread and have joined some of these organizations but I am concerned that not enough folks will satnd up and be counted this time because of the fear that results when one sees just how willing the Ameican people are to let the right wingers strip away one freedom after another in the name of security when security of the nation is so threatned by the loss of freedom.

I will say this, Harpgirl, it is time restart this thread and leave some of the personal issues behind us so that the information is not so disrupted. It is the most imporatant thing happening in the US right now and needs to be unencumbered. It's your thred so I'm not going to be the one to redirect it but would recommend it being redirected. Just my opinion.

Bobert