hey B'millard, welcome to Mudcat, I can't help you on these two but if..one can,they will be to your assistance soon. These folks know more songs than you can shake a stick at, beware though, ye might find yerself comin back here often, if for no other reason than to rile some old goats up, or just to shoot the breeze. I keep waitin' for my walkin'papers but no one throws me out. Best o'luck, Tucker