If I may make a suggestion ... responding to threads such as that of GASP or GARGOYLE only fuels the fire. Ignore them. They will either choose the threads they read more carefully or they will just simply go away. Some threads do not interest me, whether they be music or otherwise, so I don't stop. If an individual hasn't figured out the drill by now, they probably won't and it's wasted words and time trying to show them the way ... moonchild