Hippiechick, there is one aspect of this you are conveniently leaving out of the equation, and that is the community aspect. The women who have objected to the presence of said subject matter for male gratification have all said this is their community too. They have stated their anger, their hurt, their shock, etc. quite clearly, and I do not presume to speak for them. They are doing just fine without my help. What I hear them saying is they aren't happy with the way the community is treating them, and/or the way the community is presenting itself to the world, especially the online folk music community.

If the Mudcat forum truly is to be the great community it is so often claimed to be by the very members engaged in this debate, then the status quo is clearly going to have to change. Yes, it is Max's website. If he wants to let men post vulgar and offensive sexually explicit threads which several female members of the community have objected to, then that shall be the final word.

Certain community members are already presuming that since Max hasn't intervened, the female community members who have voiced objections must accept the status quo. If we are to accept Joe Offer's inserted remarks to this thread as "the final word" on the subject, then I agree with you Hippiechick, people who wish to remain members of this community must accept men will continue to be allowed to post vulgar and offensive sexually explicit threads which demean a least a portion of the female community here.

Now, I think if we don't hear anything to the contrary in the next day or so, we can all safely presume that will be the status quo supported by Max, and there is nothing any of us can do to change that.