Fionn, I'd counter with no country "owns" any territory, they conquer and rule it, much more often with bullets and bombs than ballot boxes. The history of so-called democracy hasn't changed that fact either. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying, does it?

I didn't debunk history though Fionn. Just challenged some poster's versions of it.

There are as many disastrous cases of attempted reunification from partitioning by the European imperial powers as not. India and Pakistan. The Middle East. A French and American example is Vietnam. Then there is the colonial/post-colonial struggles in Africa. No, it's been a bloody campaign worldwide to rid it of Europe's colonial excesses, Fionn. A damn bloody campaign. And with India and Pakistan, those conflicts rooted in partition are being played out with games of nuclear brinkmanship.

Get your head out of the oppositional British vs Irish mindset, which Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and Labour and Tory and SDLP and Unionist and all the other British and Irish parties are hopelessly mired in, take quite a few steps backward, and have another look at the geopolitical ramifications of European empire building which still remain. I think any reasonable person would take the Troubles in Ireland over the Troubles in Kashmir any day.