Doug said I just believe those of you who embrace everything the environmentalist extremists proclaim are wrong...you don't know me well enough to know what I embrace of whomever's ideas, Doug, so let's not lump everything into blanket statements...also one person's extreme is another's center...it's all relative

Dicho and Ebbie, thanks, I agree with you, as does the Wilderness Society, from what I read of the above statement.

Here's some food for thoughts, from various sources:

...the link between clear-cut logging and landslides has been known for decades. Government studies over the past 30 years have found a much higher frequency of landslides in clear-cut areas than in uncut forests. Studies also show that slides in cut areas tend to be more intense - like the "debris torrent" that roared down Rock Creek.(OR)

One U.S. Forest Service study concluded that landslides were up to five times more frequent in clear-cuts and roaded areas. An Oregon State University study found landslide frequency ranging from 24 to 253 times bigger in logged areas. In the mid-1980s, a federal judge used a similar study of the Coast Range to bait all logging in the Siuslaw National Forest's Mapleton Ranger District.

Slides create sediment that can get into streams, lowering water quality, destroying fish habitat and choking eggs from salmon and other at-risk fish.

Even the Oregon Department of Forestry recognizes the increased risk of erosion and landslides when steep ground is clear-cut. A 1995 agency report says, "Clear-cut harvest and/or slash burning on steep slopes may increase failure rates two to 40 times over rates on undisturbed sites."

An agency geotechnical engineer, Keith Mills, said in a recent report that ground surveys of the Coast Range in the 1970s showed that landslide activity in clear-cuts was up to four times higher than in unlogged areas.

Study ties landslides to road building, clear cuts

Forest management article

Developing world countries and clear cutting was written about 1998, might as easily be about this summer when over 1,000 people have died of flooding in China, some of it a result of clear cutting.

What do I want, Greg? I want a non-extremist person focussing on policies which are balanced instead of a daddy's puppet who would sell the last tree standing if they told him to. I want the Shrub and his cronies to know that not ALL citizens want to give him carte blanche when it comes to our forests, hell, when it comes to sending our sons to war, for that is clearly what he's been looking for since coming to office.

If you'd ever paid attention, you'd know that I've got some experience. Manys the time I stomped out small grassfires when my family cleared dangerous undergrowth. I have no problem with controlled burns, esp. after this summer. Just received a photo from an old family ranch friend. The ranch is in the foreground, with the fire not a mile away. BTW, gargly-wargly, you can keep up with the sweet-nothings, it's kind a cute in a twisted way, but I will never be your kat.