Strictly, the name began with Shirley Collins' No Roses album; Albion Morris was later. I actually went to sleep at an Albion gig in the '80s; it was that boring. A little later on, Hutchings got rid of the drum kit and ran a (mostly) acoustic lineup for a while, including Keith Hinchliffe on guitar and cittern; that had a genuine vitality that had long been missing and was, from my point of view, the last successful attempt at doing anything interesting under the Albion name.