If someone who actually served themselves wants to call someone names like Chickenhawk, it is fine by me. I am totally disinterested in those who didn't and yet feel qualified to discuss someone else's service or lack thereof. And I believe our president was trained as a pilot. No one knew, including me, where we would end up in those days. Some had a fairly good idea. Bobert, you were extremely rude there. Extremely. This is not the day to be rude. I thought I was done being angry. Maybe not. mg