(quote) "It seems to me,Taliessn, that you have read implications into what Fionn said there which weren't actually there.(And incidentally, it's a point I disagree with, since in my views acts of war are often acts of murder, in the full criminal sense.)"

We understand and agree with each other perfectly on the later point of *all* acts of War are ,de facto ,acts of murder ( pre-meditated killing ) since all warfare is driven by *strategy & tactics*.

Since we are in agreement on this point I would further explain that what galls me is the continuation of this tradaitional attempt to continue the *clasifications* on *organized killing* , both covert & overt , and use the traditional semantic legalize for *parsing* just what is an act of war and what is not.

To my mind, this is a hangover of the *Old World* with millenia of evolving the culture of accommodation that serves as the handmaiden to the older *cultture of warfare* in all its forms .

I guess I'm being a staunch advocate of trying to seize the oppurtunity of this being the 21st century to act as a new time where the *world cultures* finally dispense with all of the legacy of the idelogical parsing of degrees of *organized killing* and call it for what *is*.

I guess I'm waht some might call more of a New Testamentalist which , supposedly , was the last time there was a millenial oppurtunity to distance humankind from the Old Testament culture of justification for what *still* amounts to tribal anniahilation along the path to empire.

This does *not* mean that I can *not * recognize self-defense or coming to the defense of another under attack , but continuing to reinforce the concept of all *organized ( thus premditated) killing* is still *murder* , regardless of the cause , and ,thus, reinforce it's adhorance by calling it what it *is*.

Call it calling a spade in a spade *in spades*.