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Thread #51698   Message #789074
Posted By: Little Hawk
22-Sep-02 - 02:03 PM
Thread Name: BS: Obit: America
Subject: RE: Obit: America
Garg - That's an unusual situation you've got there regarding film, TV, and so on...if I understand you correctly. I'd have to agree that there are a lot of films being made now that are extraordinarily disjointed, and I'm not surprised that you would have trouble following them. I certainly do. It's a style of film that seems to have developed out of music videos and video games generally("faster is better" "louder is better" "less time spent on any one thing is better"). These are evidences of a jaded pallet and a deteriorating attention span, and it's disquieting.

I don't know where you would get the idea that I'm defeatist, however. I don't imagine for a minute that a system as insane as the present prevailing one can win out in the end, and I know that my own spirit will survive it, as will the spirits of other people.

Therefore, I am not defeatist.

As for empires, may they all be defeated. I served a number of them in various past lives, killed and was killed, and I have no intention of making the same mistake again now.

In the very long run, Nature will win...and those humans who are inclined to cooperate with Her. That is not what I call defeat.

You see, a really intelligent civilization finds ways to serve both humanity and Nature (meaning animals, plants, earth, water, air, and all the rest of it). That is entirely possible to do, but it's highly improbable that it would be done right now, given the present state of mind of most people and their idea of what their lives are about (accumulating money and material possessions and indulging their momentary appetites).

There simply is no country out there espousing what I have just proposed, so who is the 5th column whose propaganda has infected me?

I'm looking at it from a perspective of considering fifty thousand years or more of human development on this planet, as a soul who has been here for ALL of it...and it may in fact be several million years, not fifty thousand.

This present societal situation is very temporary, and today's "winners" will soon be forgotten.

But a sensible society is not based on winners and losers, it's based on cooperation and reverence for what is sacred. And what is sacred? Absolutely everything.

Kat - You say: "IF and WHEN we ever do reach that point, there will no longer be a need to exist in material form."

Maybe so. But if an ideal is possible when beyond material form, then it is possible while in material form too. Instead of waiting to escape to heaven or nirvana or some such level of existence, why not instead bring heaven down into the material. Why not?

As to us reaching it at different times...well, yes, that is for sure. I speak about a thing as much to discover who I am as for any other reason, because speaking it helps me to know that. Self-expression is a way toward self-knowledge. I observe that others are doing that too, and it can be pretty interesting to see how they think and to at least try to figure out why they think that way.

- LH