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Thread #51674   Message #789767
Posted By: McGrath of Harlow
23-Sep-02 - 03:10 PM
Thread Name: BS: Bush, Iraq,War Part 7
Subject: RE: BS: Bush,,Iraq,War Part 7
Singable as well as relevant, which isn't always the case. Though it tends to be the case when Amos writes'em.

Mind I get very uneasy when people juxtapose "freedom, democracy and free enterprise" as in that quote Amos gave us, and when they talk as if they had equal status, and had been fully worked out.

So here is some thread drift arising from that. (But Amos started it...)

Even "freedom" is a complicated idea - my freedom to play loud music late at night messes with your freedom to get a night's sleep, for example.

As for "democracy", nobody has found a way to translate that into reality on any except the smallest scale, without throwing up all kinds of anomalies. Electoral anomalies, like having elections where the loser wins, and clashes between the rights of the majority to decide what should be done, and the rights of the minority not to be told what to do.

As for "free enterprise" - as widely interpreted and practiced and promulgated this covers some of the most monstrous and destructive types of economic activity and chicanery which has ever been practised on the planet. Enforcing this kind of things on countries where people want to try doing it some other way, or who might wish to put other values above those of private profit, is to risk going clear against any commitment to "democracy."

I'm not putting down the idea of freedom, or the need to aim towards democratic structures. I'm not even dismissing the limited validity of "free enterprise" as a necessary part of a humane and viable economic system.

But the suggestion that all these complicated concepts have been fully and finally worked out and fitted together into a blueprint in Washington, and in the United States, and that it just needs to be applied around the world - I think that is a very dangerous suggestion indeed, and one which threatens to have terrible consequences.