I think there are several threads moving in this direction -- the child abuse situation (and there was another awful one on Connie Chung last night), the Magdelene laundry, the pedophile priests, the "bad people" thread, the terrorist threads. We have heard in the media complaints that the Arab leaders haven't condemned the actions of their criminal elements enough; the Catholic church has sheltered horrible priests and nuns and Christian (!) brothers and mothers and fathers for a very long time; Mormons have their problems with icky men and multiple teenage brides. The question is, what do we do when our own ethnic group, religion, family even, do bad things. I think the answer is to speak out, condemn their behavior, etc. etc. It can be difficult of course. It can be naive, as I thought, (no offense) the thread was about just saying no to Saddam Hussein if you are an Iraqi right now. You will be shunned perhaps. Your family might hate you. But we still have to do it. Otherwise, and we are all to some degree in some situations, enablers of abuse.mg