I didn't think you were being trying to be rude, John, but you were buying into a stereotype. The question presumes that all conservatives not only think of themselves at patriotic, but actually are, and liberals aren't necessarily.

If the goal is to define the issue on both sides, which is a worthy cause IMHO, why not ask conservatives to define it as well, or present you own definition in asking for clarification. Personally, I think the patriotism of many of the warmongers is very much in question in light of recent events.

As you might guess, it's a sore subject. Everyday lately some commentator or Congressman or President is accusing left-leaners of being anti-American and sub-standard citizens. Logical arguments and proof are being replaced by another round of McCarthyism.