We've wandered a bit, but to continue:


Kevin, in 1940 at the time when Churchill declared that the Battle of France was over, Hitler asked for invasion plans from the Chiefs of Staff of all three of his armed forces. In addition he also asked for a plan from his Joint Staff. Of the three individual staffs, Army, Navy and Air Force, only the Air Force said it could be done. The Joint Staff agreed with the Army and the Navy that it couldn't. The main reason Kevin was Norway. In occupying Norway, Hitler had lost his Navy - a point made by Churchill in the speech I referred to in my post.


Extracted from the speech by Winston Churchill to the House of Commons, 18th June, 1940:


"Here is where we come to the Navy-and after all, we have a Navy. Some people seem to forget that we have a Navy. We must remind them. For the last thirty years I have been concerned in discussions about the possibilities of oversea invasion, and I took the responsibility on behalf of the Admiralty, at the beginning of the last war, of allowing all regular troops to be sent out of the country. That was a very serious step to take, because our Territorials had only just been called up and were quite untrained. Therefore, this Island was for several months particularly denuded of fighting troops. The Admiralty had confidence at that time in their ability to prevent a mass invasion even though at that time the Germans had a magnificent battle fleet in the proportion of 10 to 16, even though they were capable of fighting a general engagement every day and any day, whereas now they have only a couple of heavy ships worth speaking of-the Scharnhorst and the Gneisenau. We are also told that the Italian Navy is to come out and gain sea superiority in these waters. If they seriously intend it, I shall only say that we shall be delighted to offer Signor Mussolini a free and safeguarded passage through the Strait of Gibraltar in order that he may play the part to which he aspires. There is a general curiosity in the British Fleet to find out whether the Italians are up to the level they were at in the last war or whether they have fallen off at all.

Therefore, it seems to me that as far as sea-borne invasion on a great scale is concerned, we are far more capable of meeting it today than we were at many periods in the last war and during the early months of this war, before our other troops were trained, and while the B.E.F. had proceeded abroad. Now, the Navy have never pretended to be able to prevent raids by bodies of 5,000 or 10,000 men flung suddenly across and thrown ashore at several points on the coast some dark night or foggy morning. The efficacy of sea power, especially under modern conditions, depends upon the invading force being of large size; It has to be of large size, in view of our military strength, to be of any use. If it is of large size, then the Navy have something they can find and meet and, as it were, bite on. Now, we must remember that even five divisions, however lightly equipped, would require 200 to 250 ships, and with modern air reconnaissance and photography it would not be easy to collect such an armada, marshal it, and conduct it across the sea without any powerful naval forces to escort it; and there would be very great possibilities, to put it mildly, that this armada would be intercepted long before it reached the coast, and all the men drowned in the sea or, at the worst blown to pieces with their equipment while they were trying to land. We also have a great system of minefields, recently strongly reinforced, through which we alone know the channels. If the enemy tries to sweep passages through these minefields, it will be the task of the Navy to destroy the mine-sweepers and any other forces employed to protect them. There should be no difficulty in this, owing to our great superiority at sea."

That doesn't sound as though the man is describing a fighting retreat. Further on in this same speech he outlines the importance of the air battle to take place. While admitting that the numerical superiority lay with the Germans, he listed the advantages the fewer RAF machines would have fighting over southern England and the inherent disadvantages for the Germans. He backed his reasons for his confidence in the RAF on their performance in the air during actions in France, particularly at Dunkirk, where the RAF actually managed to establish air superiority over the Luftwaffe.


From his speech of the 4th July:


"Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."



Note Kevin the phrase. "..and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving,.."


You quote the famous line of the speech relating to fighting on the beaches as an example of fighting against the odds in a desperate rear-guard, a fighting retreat - certainly doesn't read like that to me.

From his speech to the Commons shortly after forming his coalition government. The date of the speech was 10th May 1940:


"To form an Administration of this scale and complexity is a serious undertaking in itself, but it must be remembered that we are in the preliminary stage of one of the greatest battles in history, that we are in action at many other points in Norway and in Holland, that we have to be prepared in the Mediterranean, that the air battle is continuous and that many preparations, such as have been indicated by my hon. Friend below the Gangway, have to be made here at home. In this crisis I hope I may be pardoned if I do not address the House at any length today. I hope that any of my friends and colleagues, or former colleagues, who are affected by the political reconstruction, will make allowance, all allowance, for any lack of ceremony with which it has been necessary to act. I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this government: "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."

We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. Let that be realised; no survival for the British Empire, no survival for all that the British Empire has stood for, no survival for the urge and impulse of the ages, that mankind will move forward towards its goal. But I take up my task with buoyancy and hope. I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among men. At this time I feel entitled to claim the aid of all, and I say, "come then, let us go forward together with our united strength."


Note Kevin the chronology of those speeches. Having read through them all, at no point in any do I detect the slightest hint of desperation or defeatism.

George Bush and Tony Blair, backed by the the actions of the Iraqi Government over the past twenty years, backed by the UNSCOM Report of January 1999 and backed by intelligence data and eye witness reports, are telling the world that in this region of the world, vital to the interests of a great many countries, a grave threat exists. Further, that in the opinion of their advisors, they firmly believe that it is prudent to meet and neutralise this threat now, as the risks and consequences of delay will be catastrophic.