Yes, Ian, and thank you for that link. I must be mixing memories of other incidents. But you leave a few things out. The document says in several places that the troops were very inexperienced, as was Grey, but that they had some veteran Captains whose experience left them very uneasy about entering the horseshoe valley. It goes on to say that the "hired" Irish troops deserted the English troop and joined with the rebels as soon as the first shots were fired.