Richard The point you are making clearly is that the present PEL system, with all its over regulation has not dealt with your noise problem. Where most of the places the noise you refer to, easpecially the late night ones, would have a PEL and conform to the present system.

Adequate noise controls do exist to deal with this but are not used and it is more difficult in these cases as the premises have in effect obtained official permission to make a noise, in the form of the PEL. If it as bad as you state, I am sure it could be dealt with now.

The MU's idea is clearly to not regulate that which does not present the problem, only that which does, the Government propose to regulate everthing, so it is not necessary for any division in our ranks or efforts at this stage.