Future non-voter, first I haven't been suggesting that Democratic demagoguery and dogma aren't as much a problem as Republican demagoguery and dogma.

On the one hand, you say that welfare recipients want to get productively off welfare. Well, that isn't exactly a contested point.

We seem to agree that to suggest the answers to holding the social fabric together is as simple as making a lifestyle choice, is demagoguery. Garvey's choice of those well worn catchphrases are those used by demagogues of both parties, used to evoke a predictable and emotionally powerful racist response from whites. The racist images they are used to conjure are of the drug addled, black male criminal, and his sexually promiscuous, black welfare whore/single mother. Considering it was that language of demagoguery I was challenging, what may I ask is it that you are protesting from my response exactly? That Democrats aren't capable of using it, I'm guessing.

So let me ask you--when is the last time you heard a Democrat ideologue utter such phrases? Certainly nowhere in the public arena in well over two decades. Privately, I believe that the Reagan Democrats have long since gone to the Republican side, where they feel much more comfortable socially--that is to say "with their own kind."

Are you suggesting, by your remarks, that the Gen Xers are reviving this sort of thing among the Democratic party? Since I am not a party loyalist, you could well be right, and I wrong. Is there someone here who can speak to this issue as a Democratic party loyalist?