Claymore, here is the thing. Some of us commenting here aren't fans of Clinton or Bush. Why is that so hard for partisans to accept? And I am not using the word 'partisan' as a Republican expletive.

The point we are making is that neither party and neither president is meeting our needs as a citizenry. Just ask the 70% of eligible voters who gave your fearless leader quite a mandate when they didn't vote.

And Claymore, I don't know why you think that coming in here and regurgitating what you hear on the talk news 24/7 channels and read in Time magazine is going to influence anyone. Many of us have access to that shite, and are quite dismissive of it for what it is--a ratings game for television advertisers. These guys aren't exactly the august leaders coming out of the Columbia School of Journalism. Even those who are of that ilk, aren't believable. And everyone knows that their local media is even worse!

Frankly, I'm impressed with the level of discussion here. But I am dismissive of anyone coming in and gloating like you did.

Bad form, and all that.