I'm getting the tune down but I keep going into the pub with no beer and we'll drink England dry and 1 2 3 jolly lads all in one row??

My sympathies, Mary.... I hate when that happens! I think it has more to do with muscle memory than anything else. Your diaphram, vocal folds, and tongue and lips are so used to teaming up to form a recoginized pattern, that they go ahead and finish it as soon as they see it starting...

I found "Old Rose and Crown" in the DT, and played the midi... you're right -- the two tunes are very similiar. As a matter of fact, I think the sequence of notes for "...fill the air with sweet song." is identical to "...as it sinks in the west." (pure coincidence, I assure you -- I'd never heard of "Old Rose and Crown" before you noted it).

Do you have any program like NoteWorthy Composer or Finale? If so, you could enter the score into that, and sing along as you watch the notes and words scroll across the screen... that might help.


Otherwise, if you pm me your email address, I could send you a .jpeg file to print out. Maybe it would help stick in your mind if you could get it through your eyes as well as your ear...