No help Ireland, but "Cat's Cradle" is as you said, a good song and one that has a special meaning to me. When Karen and I decided I would quit my job as a travelling sales rep to be a stay-at-home Dad, I wrote a resignation letter to the very conservative company I worked for saying that I didn't want my life or my son's to end up like a Harry Chapin song lyric.........They had NO idea what I was talking about.

Spaw