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Thread #52704   Message #830058
Posted By: Eric the Viking
19-Nov-02 - 02:03 PM
Thread Name: BS: Fireman's Strike UK
Subject: RE: BS: Fireman's Strike UK
Well I cannot say i do not basically agree with you on these points. In the 3.000.000 million years of human evoloution, we have not moved very far up the scale towards enlightened apes. Neither any religious experiences or socialogical changes have made the majority of us much different from those humans of the stone age. We have more to covet and probably less to achieve. In that our achievements are mostly (sadly) for the benefit of ourselves than each other.

I don't see imigration as much as a problem if society makes the best use of the migrants. But when we (The government/local councils) and the migrants ghetto ourselves by distribution, culture and apparent worth then there is little hope for the future.Most of the immagration of the first 20-30 years was to ensure a supply of cheap labour, and therefore kep wages down and profits up, which is why the areas with the highest percentage of immagrants were the industrialised areas and those needing staff for infrastructural employment.

Affordable housing, by whom and for whom? Those with multi 1000's of pounds would simply not wish to live amongst the poor and needy, and the poor and needy would still need the support that is lacking.If we can (can we?) legislate for affordable housing, then we can legislate for other things that head us toward an improved lot for the working classes.

When considering the eastern block and communism, remember that much was against the will of the ordinary person, who still, as we do now, had little say in the running of the affairs.I agree the whole effort was not only disasterous, but cruel and inhuman. Those states showed the worst sides to human nature in the name of "equality", fear and control. I would not wish to see them return. It is a question of education (not brainwashing) on a grand scale, and though utopian it might be, it must be an ideal worth striving for and not dismissing, or we might as well all give up now.