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Thread #53918   Message #834848
Posted By: NicoleC
25-Nov-02 - 05:46 PM
Thread Name: BS: What have the Jews ever done for us?
Subject: RE: BS: What have the Jews ever done for us?
You see, this is exactly my point. By pointing fingers of blame at one religion after another, you just end up in a circle of vicious recrimination that gets nowhere. And I hate to break it to you, but there are quite a few Christian Palestinians; this is not solely a Muslim cause.

You give the example of a single Israeli who behaved in a violent fashion for the sake of his religion. Honestly, if we wanted to name names, I bet you'd run out of Jewish names before Christian ones. None of it would be indicative of the religious teachings of either.

Saying that the state of Israel fairly represents Judaism is like saying the United States fairly represents Christianity. Hogwash. The state of Israel is a government first, and a Jewish people second. Governments of any stripe rarely act with the religious values that they profess to represent/protect/desire. You can't say on one hand that the actions of predominantly Christian states aren't representative of Christianity, while holding Israel and Palestine up to a different standard.

Then you claim that Jewish teachings and practice of peace don't count, while ignoring hundreds of years of Christian writings which determined that non-Christians didn't have souls, and therefore it was okay to kill them. By equating only the Old Testament with Jewish teaching, you are ignoring centuries of other Jewish religious texts; the idea that Judaism is all about an eye for an eye is a stereotype, nothing more.

To imply that the Jews really weren't oppressed during the middle ages in Europe is... well... I suggest you read some history. It sounds like you've been listening to the neo-Nazis that believe that all Jews are rich and in league with the devil. Which is exactly what the attitude was during the medieval era. The Black Plaque was blamed on the Jews, bad harvests, famine, drought -- anything was the Jew's fault. The Jews, of course, rarely reacted to their persecution violently -- partially out of self-preservation, but also because of their religious beliefs. Is that not a legacy of peaceful teachings?

Is Christianity irrelevant in the conflict over Jerusalem? I guess that depends. Do predominantly Christian governments have a right to sieze a portion of Jerusalem for their Christian Holy City? I'd say no.

But since many of the predominantly Christian nations (as well as others) are activily involved in trying to resolve the conflict, and the Palestinians at least have repeatedly made requests that nations like the US and Britain get MORE involved, I fail to see how you can come to the conclusion that Christianity is not being represented. Acheiving peace will allow more Christians to make pilgrimages if they desire to do so. Peace is in the best interest of all the religions involved.