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Thread #54070   Message #836101
Posted By: The Shambles
27-Nov-02 - 08:21 PM
Thread Name: Fighting the PEL
Subject: RE: Fighting the PEL
The principle is long established, under current legislation, that premises are inspected and made safe for public entertainment with PEL, even though no (live) music is ever intended to take place there.

As Baroness Blackstone said in the Lords.
For example, under existing legislation, establishments may sell alcohol late at night only if it is ancillary to other activities, usually music and dancing. That has led to the development of a relatively narrow night-time economy, patronised for the most part by the young.

As the problem she raised is set to get worse, why not just continue this principle? Then the only places that could be claimed to be unsafe, would in fact be the ones that the Local Authority had demonstrated were unsafe or too close to homes to provide entertainment etc.

Baroness Blackstone again

Instead, a permission to provide entertainment in that way would be an integral part of the premises licence, so there would be no additional cost for live music above the cost of the premises licence itself, regardless of how many musicians are involved.

I am surprised to find myself in agreement, up to a point. That point is that the Government have strangly made it possible to opt out of the entertainment element and create the risk of premises that can later claimed to be made unsafe by one person singing there.

Take that option away and the measures will work in practice. It is totally wrong in principle, but this Government do not seem to have any of those and it will stop us having our current problems.

No I don't think non amplified music needs any controls but I suspect it is too late to prevent most of the Bill from being imposed on us.

Making all music licensable is not too far from what they propose to do anyway. So if all (suitable) public premises have to have a licence that enables all live music making - So be it.

I want to be able to make music but I do not want to make it in unsafe premises. I strongly believe the public must first have safe premises. Do that and all these definitions of what is entertainment, become redundant and Schedule 1 of the Bill can be confined to the dustbin.

The bottom line are the pubs prepared to spend the money to bring all premises up to standard and do the Local Authorities have the resourses (and the will) to ensure they do?

I think the answer is no. So we have the Bill's endless defintions about what is licensable entertainment - and will still have unsafe premises.