Well Mike I guess great minds think alike. I can't seem to get the hang of that over blow stuff either. Maybe it works better in certain keys then once you get the hang of it you try it in a more challenging key. I dunno. Unfortunately for me I didn't have a little woman to do my constuctions, those, I have to claim, are my own doing. You're a lucky man Mike.Still scrubbin' on the darn ol' thang, Reggie