Hi Troll... right you are. This is why in European civil rights law, they look at racialization... the process of separating out, we used to do this before the Bakke case, the white bloke who sued over afirmative action claiming race based descrimination, when in fact, he had not been racialized (he was in fact an older applicant and that was why he was not chosed, and THAT in fact should have been what the court looked at!) But, we see it here, when Sharon claimes that I am a racist when I point out the witness in the shop lifting case against an Irish Traveller, described the robbers as Mexican, when the two Travellers do not look at all Mexican. Sharon points out that some Mexicans are blond and blue eyed... it is using race rather than racialization. Obviously the witess was using the racialized use of the description. In the New York jury pool survey Hispanic, a lingual distinciton is used as a racial grouping. I took over three hundred pages to answer my jury pool survey... Cheers Troll Thanks for posting this. Larry