Hey Mudjack and Mike, that festival in Richland, Oregon do they hire acts to perform there? Do you guys have any other info about it you could share ie, which weekend in August, contact numbers etc. I'm thinkin that may not be too far a drive and an excellent event to attend. Oh yes, there is another site I learned of from a previous post here at the MC, it's the Musician's and Instument Maker's Forum MIMF This site has a thread called "other strings", I think, that has a discussion about this very subject, tub makin' I mean. Has anyone ever seen the one string tube bass? It's based on the same idea but had a tuner at the top of the neck with a single string that was fastened to a disc of metal that was fixed inside a cardboard tube about 8-10 inches in diameter. The neck was fastened to the side of the tube and extended below to form a leg to stand on. This idea is certainly worth an exploring. I have one but the neck broke and I haven't repaired it yet. Weird stuff huh? Reggie