"Real true believing terrorist don't tend to crack under torture - the people who crack are the fringe people pulled in, and the totally innocent, who have no accurate information"

McG of H you give too much credit to terrorists who sneak up on people and blow their brains out or fly people into buildings. Terrorists are human, the course they take in life does not make them any more immune to torture than the ordinary person on the street, it does make them less sensitive to violence though which when used on them may seem harsh to the average bystander.

Those on the fringe may not have a lot of accurate intelligence but they still have some. This info could have been gleamed from many or a few of the prisoners, a good intel collator can make use of the given details, that's were the advantage lies. At the ending of the original Article it was said useful intelligence was obtained.

I am glad you realise I do not advocate torturing innocent people in any way shape or form, but I do realise that, as terrorist spokesperson's in N.Ireland point out that there are innocent people killed in all wars, those on the fringe of terrorism as such run the same risks. M.McGuiness said in the past that those killed or maimed in an IRA atrocity had only themselves to blame for being there in the first place. Not word for word but the just of his statement.

I would rather have a world were we have no such decisions to make but I look at the terrorist strikes anywhere in the world as torture. If we do not do what terrorists of the world want they torture us by bombing and shooting innocent people. If you pick up victims who are mince meat or just slices of skin that is real torture, knowing if we do not do what is demanded then the same is going to happen.

We have to realise that war is dirty and vile, fought with many means and torture is one such way, tying our hands by not taking terrorists on at their own game makes the job all the harder. I have no problems with terrorising the terrorist they brought it on by doing what they did.

Nowhere have I seen people asking to be victims of a terrorist attack so where is the need for terrorists, what is their worth or reason for being?