Yeah, that was my point. Neither commercial is valid -- but the terrorism commercial is brilliant as a spoof.

Actually, FWIW, the Golf is a superior design of vehicle. I have a friend who is 6'4" and over 240, and fits comfortably with about 2" of headroom, and drives his daily commute from Sacramento to San Francisco (about 2 hours in rush hour each way), with no ill effects. Same friend also owns a Toyota Camry -- he drives the Golf because the Camry is too small for him. His wife gets the Camry instead.

The concept that one has to have a huge vehicle to be comfortable simply isn't true. If you have a family of 5, yeah, a wagon may be the way to go, or an SUV if you live in a area with heavy ice or poor roads. Otherwise, it's all part of the marketting package that you are attempting to decry while falling for it.

And although many consumers would like to have more fuel efficient cars to buy, most of those consumers who buy SUVs have made a choice to do so. The marketters and manufacturers could certainly be more responsible (Ford just got slapped for their ad campaigns big time), but it's not fair to let the consumers off the hook for their contribution by claiming they are ignorant. Yes, they are. They choose to be that way.

By the way, Q, I think those Camry ratings are swapped. The top one should be the manual.

I'm outta here; Guest is just trolling now. Another good thread ruined.