Well, I just re-read the first post. Before, I just didn't read far enough. I still don't know what that about Richard Daley says. But it does look like guest and I agree------------AND, my friend, Joe Offer himself, the very one all of the Joe clones are derived from like the goblins and orcs are mushed and ooozed into one fell genus, was the one I thought (and called) a culprit.