Right you are, Frank. Speaking of guitar masters, do you remember a guy named Sandy Bull. He specialized in 12 string flash. I thought that Billy Faer was, primarily, a banjoist, a frailer like Dick Weissman and Billy Vanaver. (Here's a bit of trivia. I was Vanaver's den leader when he was a cub scout) I hear from Lionel every six months or so and I see Roger a couple times a year, when he comes down to Philly. By the way, I never thanked you for an impromptu lesson you gave me one night at the Gilded Cage. I dont think of you as a New Yorker. I've always associated you with Chicago. Must be the lake effect.