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Thread #56130   Message #875679
Posted By: Steve Parkes
27-Jan-03 - 07:43 AM
Thread Name: Origins: 3 Jolly rogues of Lynn(e)
Subject: RE: Origins: 3 Jolly rogues of Lynn(e)
Thanks, Masato. I was surprised at the "earliest date" of 1877. although the "would not sing" versions smack of 18th/19th century glee clubs and the likes of the Anacreontic Society (whence that peculiar tune to "The Star-spangled Banner"), precursors of the Brotsh Music Hall. I always expect traditional songs to make sense, more or less; but "popular" songs are not infrequently nonsensical.

It sounds like the "would not sing" version may be related to Old King Cole . Cole was a 5th century Welsh (or Scottish) king, predating Arthur by a couple of centuries (my arithmetic was a bit out in my first post!), and much given to musical pursuits, according to his song.

Steve